end of civilatation considered..

The lindel quote is THE END OFCIVILISATION:http://surrealismnow.com/endofcivilization.html

It's friday night. Not at a bar; I don't drink anymore. Where I am now the sky is blue, but it seems like everyone but me has an SUV, these giant monsters transgressing the town. I don't own a car. I walk. The seem to be silver a lot: Cadilac and Porsche versions. They seem absurd: rock cars; everyone their own assault vehicle .I've never met someone who owns an suv but, this my locul collag. I don't think I ever will meet them. Like, I never see George Bush. I listen to NPR and hear his smug voice but, I have negated him. Just a voice from the wall - no image.
So What too paint? Here, a little jeep; one of the only paintings I've done in the last year that makes any sense. Present for george....a little punk car...

MORE POST PUNK, MORE NEGATION

Is punk a focus of what (raison d'etre) so easy (tempting) to become embroiled, to despair, to laceration, from the nature of it's environment, new york, new york as art center or media center. Post punk could be Madonna, could be Regan, could be the first iraq war, could be Monica Lowinski. I offered the (left) as george senior became president; Does television fill the void; is punk (etc, other art forms) a way of negating television.
Here is onenice response
John Milton's Paradise Lost recited by Terrance Lindall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwngvX_mqlw&mode=user&search= The 10-minute Youtube sample is part of a 45-minute recitation andlecture by Terrance Lindall, whose illustrations for Paradise Lost arec onsidered by many people to be the greatest illustrations for the epic of the 20th century.
This one too:
http://surrealismnow.com/endofcivilization.html

When does/did post PUNK begin

Yes, there still are "PUNK BANDS" (I suppose) but, it's dead and when did it die? That picture of Syd down there, some say right there, obliteration was required (so many cheat)and, in new york, all the bands that try, they sort of arn't punk, they're...something else (as basquiat and his suits) X (the great acomplishment of the 80's)and "hardcore" prevailed, and hard core really lead to Curt Cobain as the great accomplishment. ( Week his death was announced every restaurant etc in lower Manhattan was playing doll parts...) About the time Basquiat died, all of so-ho and the galleries creeping south and east went with him.

like a bomb blast was left behind and GG Alan was probably the great success of that era or irony . When I started showing around 1990 I, for what ever reason, presumed or felt some sort of POP art was up next (while high in the sky like Bukowski's Helicopters came...the Internet. if not art, there would be 2 dimensional images everywhere.) I had a day job, but it really was pretty bleak down there. I always vote for David W, but there was no great art movement; one of the local weeklies even ran a prophetic article (many read it and commented on it) on NO ART, which one of the locals had actually proposed in the early sixties, taking a space and just dumping garbage out on the floor; various galleriests visited and gave some thought, but decided to go with with POP ART instead. With the Media flood of so many cable channel and the Internet, art, even punk, might become a private hobby like poetry.

That's my "Bobmobile" paintinmg shows at cbgb's 313 gallery, 1991

post basquiat: David Wojnarowicz

The artists to get the real punk seal of approval was David Wojnarowicz who, for this writer, pops up as a myth in the late eighties - I knew people who said they'd seen his shows in the lower east side, but I didn't until his "retrospective" at the museum of contemporary art. Lots of comic art, a sense of enclosure, and very political, always radical. Also 8mm films that were hilarious, psycho killers, and the tintin like cartoon in his art, mad scientists etc. As to what happened after his death, strictly speaking, nothing. Musically, the rise of hard core is the persona of Kurt Cobain, otherwise, in new york, more, fashion and rehab and money and mannered interior decorating.
With his passing punk, per-sea, was dead. Bands still acknowledge it as a style, but, they got old and the graphic style aged. Even in the lower east side a more formal art add style took over and a lot of old neighborhood businesses like cbgbs closed and rehabbed.

David links:

PPOW gallery:
http://www.ppowgallery.com/artists/DavidWojnarowicz/

http://www.actupny.org/diva/synWoj.html

punk anti-revisionist: punk classics

Or, there is the anti-revisionist: syd himself, man who clossed max's kansas city and anything else he could find. When first going out with an ex, a bennington girl, she came back flushed from the hallway telephone saying she had syd's telephone number. I said calling was a bad idea; but, couple of day's later he was dead. And, I went to new york, so-ho was virtually vacant, lower east side very dangerous, and the upper west side where we settled like, $250 a month, but I kept her away from drugs, (a poet now:http://www.mainstreetrag.com/store/NewReleases.php How to Be a Maquiladoraby Sheila Black) looked at bukowski over my shoulder,. and wrote my first novel (destroyed) Was basquiet punk?Wojnarowic got my vote, and I always wait for the democrats; new york now, like, new Lichtenstein city. Very boring: gap everywhere.
pic of s & n courtesy of: http://www.punkmagazine.com/

Coming soon - war art. Haven't seen much war art. Punks do war art. After that, now that it is concluded (it is concluded) was need a new term. Post Pop expressionism, or, Post pop Impressionism. The great practitioners would presumed to be (like it or not):Basquiat, Haring, and Wojnarowicz with all other notables being musical (Ramones or Madonna as you sit fit) So, post pop or Post Andy.

NOT LA, NOT POLICE, NOT WAR ART

What should war art be now - is there any/ Strictly speaking, the Iraqi has been dragging on since Bush seniors administration, 1991, Kuwait, Gold, and stopping just short of Baghdad. One of the first MARSBAR shows I was in (SUBSTANCE ABUSE being the first) was SCUDS AND FRIENDLY FIRE, where we as foolish artists safe at home created with slight irony, but without disdain, not nihilism but safe in the thought that peace is always less costly over the long run than war, and we personally would not profit.

THUS, more punk versus negations and nihilism.

Actually, we're just cheap. I tend to blame it all on conservative governments, but expensive is in. For quite a while my great amusement in life was the ARTFORUM message board (good message boards are few and far between.) But, they threw us all off and now just use it to make irregular postings, while all the listed action is art fairs and the Venice biennial, no more new york and gritty or egalitarian. I have been negated: no more new york, no more marsbar (a free show in new york, more or less) no more cbgbs, just me in maine on the Internet

negations versus nihilsme

Finally got around to reading the recent biography of Charles Bukowski (rather more depressing than one would expect) and came across a statement about punks and nihilism. Hadn't thought of that one. I do use the term negation here; at yahoo, more grammar is found:
. .. is the literary or formal equivalent of pas, thus ne... point is simply the structure used to negate a statement in formal French.

In art, so like modern literature, negating what could have been or in higher forms finding something that hasn't already happened. Erasures and the like; abstractionists negating portraiture as...it's already been done. Was punk nihilistic? Sort of a question as it appeared with the ending of the Vietnam war, and now we have the Iraq war. All it produced was music and , sort of, post Warlholian plastic "art."

I find myself regularly masking out parts of paintings and, not paintinng thing, not [painting reality, looking for something "new". Negations. Even, negate the soup can (I did a race car).

Friday night at locul "gaming room"; going over partial draft of "novela" quite pleased; based on experience at the MARSBAR (le mars), around the corner from the late cbgb (2nd ave and 1st street, new york city) where I showed back in "the nineties". Deserves a novel. One of those things you do in order to write a novel about. Jack Michelin hung out a bit , other "famouse" name, Ron Ardito of the shirts. not too many famous rock stars drifted over regularly, more the leval of Julius Klien "mayor of the lower east side," the infamouse Suzanne, Yvonne Fitch and Traci of "spitball", jin mill, Hamlet Zurita, Michael Carter or REDTAPE, Jim Sizelove, Indy, etc.) The Bobmobile that was my "logo" is somewhere here but I am writting now from Biddeford, Maine, nice little town, ussualy from the public library (mac sick for now) and no more Honda 400/4 supersport, though I do have a Ducati 250 single and MV Augusta at my step moms.

Transfering now from web page to daily diary and serialised novel; piles of art (latex on water color paper) plus an on going interest (from early life) race cars, colin chapman, Lotus and Elva
otherwise as at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newnovelclub/